Formula 1 engine testing

This car revs faster in neutral than a 2006 R6?!?!

Turn up the sound!!!! The sound must be ab-so-lu-te-ly DEAFENING without ear protection, yet the guy on the right just stands there smiling :questionmarks:

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...E523D643C7.htm

i've seen that video before.... it is amazing...

Very cool.!

OMG! That is sick! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think F1 is running normally aspirated 3.5L engines that spin 20,000 RPMs and are good for about 900HP. That is amazing.

Jay

Oh yeah in reference to the R6 comparison; I don't think an R6s' headers glow quit like that either.

Formula 1 used to be running 3.5 litre V12 engines, the strongest of the grid making 965horsepower. Then the FIA (equivalent of Dorna sports in Formula 1) decided that these engines were too fast for comfort, so they reduced it to 3L V10 engines. I dont know how much power these engines make. Right now they are running 2.4L V8 engines. All of the engines i mentioned would redline at around 20.000 rpm. They make a minimum of 700 horsepower.

The reference to the 2006 R6 is because I have a short video of an R6 parked in neutral, being revved all the way to redline. Within 1 second, the engine speeds up from idle to 16.500 real rpm. Thats amazing. And this Formula 1 engine seemingly revs faster although there are twice as much cylinders, at least. And that is some fantastic engineering.

I heard they were going to start running V8s, I didn't know they already started using them. I love how the FIA is always stepping in to control the speed and the engineers seem to always figure out a way to find it.

Jay

Just a brief history-until the mid 90s Formula 1 was running 3,5 liter engines with few restrictions on the number of cylinders.Ferrari was running their mighty V12,others continued developing the V10. Then the 3 liter V10 era came along..still feel nostalgia of that era and the glorious battles between Michael and Hakkinen.At around 98,99 the power was roughly 750-800 horsepowers from the 3.0 litre engines. In 2004 the revs continued to rise close to 19 000 rpm.We saw similar engine rpms last year and this year with the 2,4 liter V8s-they have less reciprocating mass so they can rev much higher.The Cosworth easily reached 21 000 rpm on the Dyno and for now-it's the only engine to have rached 20 000+ rpm on the actual track.The other engine manufactures are running at around 19 000-19 500 rpm.Sure-the rpms are gonna rise dramatically till the end of the year and reliabality is going to be improved.Also the new engines require different approach from driving's perspective..just look at last weekend's grand prix-now the engine runs its butterfly valves fully open at around 72 procent of the whole lap-that's enormous.We saw cars going flat out through 4th gear in chickanes at 19 000 rpm and yet changing directions with ease...just beautiful
And the thing that struck me the most was that the race pace didnt drop at all.Fastest lap from last year at Sepang with a 3 liter V10 was a 1 min 35 .And even on Friday the Williams reached high 1 min 34 with around 200 horses less . I love this sport :)

Now thats information I really like good job bikerboy.
The recipocrating mass thing. I know that its hard to change direction when the engine spins at 19.000 rpm... But i dont know why. Does the gyroscopic forces make the vehicle stable? My guess is that its the same principle as opening the throttle slightly in a turn to maintain stability...

And another thing. When an engine can reach 21.000 rpm on a dyno... Why would it not be able to reach that value on the actual track?

Although i dont watch formula 1 much (motogp takes all my spare time ) I love watching races. Each of those drivers has got great fighting spirit and all of them are working the best they can to finish high.

Jump in and correct me if I'm wrong but the engine on anything no matter how it is mounted is rotating mass that acts like an internal gyroscope, the faster it spins the more resistant it is to change direction.

Lets say I'm cruising down a big hill at about 65mph with the engine turning 7,000rpms, when I try to turn the bike from side to side it feels pretty heavy and take some effort. When I pull in the clutch and just coast with the engine idleing at 1,200 rpms it is a lot easier to turn because the only rotating mass I'm trying to fight is whatever is attatched to the axles.

I think, but I'm not sure, that the same concept applys to to cars.

Busa, what are you going to school for?

Im going to study the marketing involved in the automobile industry. Part of that study is to become a good salesman. Im especially looking forward to that part But what I would realy love to do would be to become a bike salesman. Cant think of any better profession at the moment. Besides a succesful racer, ofcourse

Thats pretty cool. It's seems like the automotive industry is in a time where thins are evolving pretty fast. In the past 5yrs we've seen a lot of advancements like; clutchless shifting and hybrids. I'm sure that is just the tip of the ice-burg.

Jay.

what im more concerned about is the increasing attention to environment and elektromotors as propulsion. That means that technology will improve the efficiency of a combustion engine... Less displacement, more power. VW has a Golf with 1.6 TFSI engine which makes around 160 horsepower. Thats a figure youd expect from a 2.0 motor. Those are useful advances... so are the hybrids. I wonder if its even fun to drive around in a completely silent car...

Busa ,man, "I know that its hard to change direction when the engine spins at 19.000 rpm... But i dont know why. " Well when the engine is spinning at such increidble speed,the tires do also.It will be a lot harder to do it..but that's F1-they have around 1500 kg of downforce :) I always gaze and gaze at the cars going absolutely flat out at the first massive change of direction at over 230km/h absolutely full throttle..then go through turn 7 and 8 at more than 200 on 5TH gear.. F1 never stops amazing me :)

"And another thing. When an engine can reach 21.000 rpm on a dyno... Why would it not be able to reach that value on the actual track?"
Well its an entirely different environment...first of all-running such high rpm in the factory with no risk is one thing-doing so in the most expensive sport in the world is totally different :)
Also the compression effect of the air in the air duct is enormous and extremely significant.I dont know if they simulate it on the dyno.And another thing-I dont know how F1 dynos work but on the track-the engine is "loaded" with the job of spinning,clutch,gearbox,all kinds of shafts and systems,differential,tires... :)
I am glad to have given you useful info bro .Take care :)